Comments on: Massarotti Chat Deconstructed

By: Rick Mc

Rick Mc — Fri, 15 May 2009 11:54:44 +0000

More wild speculation and innuendo. Did you know that in 2001, David Ortiz had 18 HR’s in 300 AB’s? and an ISO of .240? Or that over he twice hit 30 HR’s in the course of a minor league season by the time he was 23? Or that he was yanked up and down by the Twins and didn’t get consistent playing time until he was in Boston? Or that the Twins at the major league level tried to change the way he hit?

Being non-tendered does not mean that the player sucks. Sometimes a team makes a mistake. And there are no steroidZ!! in Minnesota.

By: Angry Old Bastard

Angry Old Bastard — Fri, 15 May 2009 03:43:52 +0000

LOL…yeah, Ortiz could never find a steroid dealer on his own. He needed Manny to get him his roids. Now that Manny is gone, Ortiz’s roid supply has dried up…….sounds like something Felger would come up with

By: Classless

Classless — Fri, 15 May 2009 02:52:47 +0000

Here’s one fact: He sucked in Minnesota, then goes to Boston where, what do you know, he hooks up with Manny Ramirez and becomes the one of the best power hitters in baseball. Manny leaves, Ortiz promptly sucks. Can’t argue that.

By: Rick Mc

Rick Mc — Thu, 14 May 2009 22:12:52 +0000

One fact. Give me one fact besides “he used to hit, but now he doesn’t.” And it cannot be speculation, innuendo or circumstantial. So, no “everybody did it” or “He was Manny’s friend.”

By: sam

sam — Thu, 14 May 2009 21:45:28 +0000

that’s a nice nifty set of facts you’ve laid out to fit your predetermined narrative.

there is no witch trial. a bunch of millionaire meathead athletes take performance enhancers and some of their friends and teamates get accused. no one is getting burned at the stake or hung from a tree in the town square.

the guy looks cooked, it’s sad. the math is quite simple. if he was on them he needs to go back on, if he never was he needs to start.

By: Rick Mc

Rick Mc — Thu, 14 May 2009 19:32:54 +0000

Do you bother to look at any of the facts or are you just out to make baseless accusations?

David Ortiz was a highly considered power prospect. It is no surprise that such a player after leaving an organization that jerked him around and tried to change the way he hit and joining an organization that let him hit had his peak years while entering his prime as a baseball player.

And nobody can answer this question: why now? Why after five seasons of testing did Ortiz stop?

And this isn’t some fanboy defense of Ortiz or trying to protect the Red Sox and the sanctity of the game. It is a reasoned defense against this Salem Witch Trial atmosphere of anybody can make an accusation against any player simply by saying “I can tell. Just look at [the set of facts only that support my predetermined narrative].”

By: sam

sam — Thu, 14 May 2009 17:02:17 +0000

under your theory a player with a lifetime .800 ops with a giant hole in his swing balloons into babe ruth and is impossible to get out for 3-4 years and then falls off a cliff for no apparent reason. all of this happens during the performance enhancing era an era in which almost every other home run hitter has been outed as a user of enhancers.

grow up.

he’s only damned if you buy into the morality play of it all. if you just watch the game, take pleasure in the competition, and except that they all have private lives that are most likely incongruous with the myths people create around them then it’s alot easier to not give a crap about what a professional athlete chooses to put into their body.

By: John Kelley

John Kelley — Thu, 14 May 2009 16:22:44 +0000

I just find it funny that Mazz is telling us in that chat not to assume anything after he wrote an article devaluing the two world series titles because Manny got bagged as Dodger. No hypocrisy there.

By: Rick Mc

Rick Mc — Thu, 14 May 2009 16:05:54 +0000

Not that I disagree, but as I remember it the drinking was something of an issue, which led to the cooler being removed.

By: Rick Mc

Rick Mc — Thu, 14 May 2009 16:02:13 +0000

Brilliant logic.

1) Where is the unnatural spike in power? Look at his numbers going back to the minors and look at how many PA’s he had.

2) Why 2008-2009? Under your theory, he had four successful years and then what happened? He stopped using them? They no longer were effective?

That’s what so good about the Mike Felger mouthbreathers: You can take any fact pattern and twist it to “prove” somebody was doing PEDs. Ortiz was damned either way. He hits well this season and he is on the PED’s coming back from injury. He tanks and he is coming off the PEDS (the reason for which nobody can rationally state).

Get a clue and learn some logic.